Google announced yesterdaythat they’re removing the social features from Google Reader. They’re pitching this as an attempt to “clean things up a bit.” They also claim that, “the end result is better than what’s available today.” They acknowledge that removing the ability to friend or follow other gReader users, among other non-specified “things like” those social features, might cause people to “feel like the product is no longer for you.” Their proposed solution: export your data from gReader. The end.When talking about this announcement with people, I get the impression that most people don’t really understand or use gReader’s social features, so I can see how this wouldn’t seem like a big deal. For me, this is the destruction of the only online space I truly give a shit about. (Sorry Twitter, Facebook, etc.) I’m actually really upset about this, as it’s eliminating a social space I’ve been participating in for several years.
I’m not going to explain how RSS readers work, as I think you can solve that part for yourself. The part that makes gReader great is that as you read your feeds, if you come across a post that you find interesting, worthy of discussion, full of kittens, whatever, you can hit “Share.” OR you can even click “Share with note,” if you want to add a little blurb at the top with your feelings or thoughts about the post you’re sharing.
But who is seeing this stuff, right? For me, it’s a small group (I think the largest it’s been is around 40 people) who can view all of my shared items, can view my comments, and can comment on my shared items. All three of those things, btw? Configurable. I have the ability to make groups from my Google contacts and control their rights when accessing my content. Those people also have control over who sees what of their stuff. You can follow people, which means you can see their shares — and if that person is super private, it means they’ll have to give you rights to see their stuff in order for that to work.
What this means is that I have several RSS feeds that, rather than a site’s posts, are items shared by other people. They have their own section, “People you follow.” When I’m in a hurry, I often mark-as-read my “normal” RSS feeds and just read and comment on the shared items of my friends.
The coolest part of gReader, for me, is the Comment View. This also lives in “People you follow,” and it displays any item, either shared by me or someone I follow, that has new comments on it since the last time I clicked on it. Not just stuff I’ve personally commented on, but anything that my friends are discussing. If two of my friends comment back and forth on a shared item, I will keep seeing their discussion, even if I haven’t contributed yet. As new comments appear on items, they get bumped to the top of Comment View, so I don’t miss anything and can jump in if a discussion works its way around to being something I want to participate in.
When I started using gReader, my community was about half the size it currently is. However, there would be people commenting on my friends’ shares, people I didn’t know, who were funny, or who mentioned stuff I liked, or whatever. And so over the first year or so, there was a lot of, “Oh hey, friend from art school who loves modern novels and hipster fashion, you should TOTALLY be friends with this friend-of-a-friend who works in the fashion industry and is awesomely intellectual,” type of stuff happening. It was, and continues to be, the only social network where I interact with people with some semblance of normal real world humanity. (And by that, I mean it’s like we’re all at a mutual friend’s house party.)
We discovered that if you click on “Shared Items”, you could write an original post and share it with the group. (Topics covered in that manner: job interviews, buying houses, getting engaged, moving across the country, pregnancy, child care, cancer scares, deaths in the family, holiday-related family drama, and the occasional “this day is the absolute worst, someone please remind me I’m a valuable human being”.)
We visit each other and go out to dinner together when we’re passing through town. We travel to stay at each other’s homes for a mini-break. About twenty of us rented a house and took a vacation together last summer. This community is the primary way I stay in regular contact with many of my closest friends, it’s the network I tell first about things that happen in my life, and it’s often the only place I vent when I’m upset enough about something that I don’t want to risk mis-speaking in highly public spaces like Twitter. I am a more sensitive person, a more aware person, a more progressive, more feminist, more sympathetic and more open-minded person because of the years spent reading things I’d never have read, seeing things I’d never have seen, and getting to discuss these “new” ideas with people I respect.
This is the community I’m losing.
One of the most important things for me about gReader is that it balances the two primary uses of the internet: information and communication. Discussion that follows the sharing of information – blog posts, news items, opinion pieces, editorial images, book reviews, pictures of Zoe Saldana, etc – is more meaningful, directed, and interesting to me than post after post of people talking about themselves. I like that the primary verb of gReader is “share” – but not about you; about content that’s meaningful to you. I like that I have to click on a specific tab in order to get the little window that allows me to post only about myself. I like that gReader provides a single interface to both read content on the internet AND discuss that content with my friends.
Google’s new alternative to Reader’s social features is Google Plus. Apparently, if I share something that I see in Reader, it will generate a post to whatever circles I select and display it on my Plus account. If you’ll recall from a few paragraphs ago, Google is pitching this as, “better than what’s available today.”
So let’s look at what’s available today. I read a post in a design blog’s RSS feed on gReader featuring a house I think looks really cool, so I share it. Here’s what that share looks like:

(Credit for the fancy numbers and images goes to Darius Kazemi)
The majority of the page (66%) is dedicated to the content the user is viewing, and you can scroll down in the pink section of the page to read the entire content of the item being viewed. Google’s using about 1/3 of the page (31%) with layout and various features. The navigation section to view other peoples’ content is 3% of the page. The mechanism for sharing items (not pictured) is a button at the bottom of every post that says “Share”, and it’s so small that I didn’t measure it.
Some things I love about this:
- Content shared by my friends is automatically collected as feeds labeled with their name, making it easy to navigate to any person’s shares quickly.
- Most of the page is dedicated to displaying information and whatever comments are connected to that information.
And now let’s look at the “better” end result. I read a post in a design blog’s RSS feed on gReader featuring a house I think looks really cool, so I click the share button and generate a post in Google Plus. Here’s what that post looks like:

The majority of the page (57%) is dedicated to layout and various features. Other peoples’ content is automatically displayed, and that takes up 25% of the page. The content I shared gets 14% of the page, and the mechanism for sharing items takes up 5%, front and center.
Things I love a lot less:
- This is an entirely different site, so in order to read items shared by my community, I have to leave gReader, go to Plus, and then I guess make a circle for the people whose shares I want to see? And then either read all of their shares en masse, or click through to each of their profiles and scroll through to see what they’ve shared since the last time I checked?
- I have no way of easily keeping up with discussions going on in my community (compared to the way Comment View currently works).
- Posting links to Plus does not display the content of the item you’re sharing. Notice that in order to read the full post, you’d have to click the link and open a new page or tab.
In short, this is not a workflow designed around sharing information and communicating about it. This is a workflow designed to make people click on things.
Taken in hand with the earlier announcement from Google that they’re shutting down Buzz (another quirky social network that didn’t achieve Facebook-level popularity), part of me suspects that someone in Google corporate looked at the Buzz and gReader communities, looked at Plus’s less-than-vertical adoption & use rates, and concluded that by killing Buzz and gReader’s social elements, these communities would migrate over to Plus.
That is, however, a ridiculous idea. Buzz operates in your Gmail inbox and gReader is an RSS feed reader. The majority of employers don’t block email or RSS feed readers. You know what a lot of employers do block? Self-described social networks like Google Plus. In addition, guess what gReader lets you call yourself? You guessed it: anything you damn well please. I have friends who refuse to join Plus because they’re worried that if they get griefed as a ‘nym, they’ll have all their other Google services (like Gmail) frozen. How am I supposed to interact with these people the way I do now?
Also, where is it written that because a large number of people form one internet community, that must be how all online communities are organized? I don’t care if Google wants Plus to get bigger, I care about me and my friends who seek to read and discuss the entire internet every day. Is there really no space for different kinds of people to form different kinds of social spaces in Google products? Are they really that fucking stupid about how communities work?
Or, as I suspect, is it just that Buzz and gReader aren’t nearly as effective as Plus at collecting data about my internet use?
My problem is that I don’t have enough friends for all these multiple social networks.
I like Google Reader for the reasons you outline above. Google+ just isn’t working for me. Thanks for sharing this information.
eh. The internet is constantly changing. It’s not all for the better, but I do hope it can pay for itself, because I don’t want to pay by the minute, as it were. Design changes are always directed towards typical use; non-typical users are apparently just wasting space. Someday they’ll start paying me for being a ‘connector’ and then I’ll feel sleazy.
I am also a little confused by Google’s plan. However, there are always pains in the way of changing.
I have read the news that the people in Iran also were against the new Google Reader update.
amien.. thank for your post
This is probably an attempt to push more people toward the +1 initiative they just publicly launched. I don’t really care for feed readers, but that is just me. I think if they get enough feedback from folks like you, they may reconsider their decision.
One *big* problem is that Google+ is blocked on an awful lot of corporate networks.
The more stuff they move to Google+, the more they alienate corporate users.
I love Google Reader and have used it for years, but I’ve never fully explored its social features. Might have to do that now!
Anytime a company like Google or (Netflix) just to name two, comes up with the PR blitz that they are doing away with or changing a service to make it more “user friendly” or “improve” our experience–it rarely does. It’s always a bottom line issue for them.
I’m afraid I may have contributed to the destruction of the only social network I really care about: when quitting Google Plus I told them half my friends couldn’t use it (it’s also inaccessible as shit) and that it was far inferior to Google Reader, which did everything I wanted from a social product. I was hoping they would take the opportunity to make Plus more like Reader, not trash Reader.
I’ve got a Tiny Tiny Rss install going now; it doesn’t have the full social networking bits, and I will really miss the comments, but I can share items with people regardless of what service they are using. I hope some of the OSS nerds hurry up and solve distributed, decentralized social networking already
Guess I oughta look up Google Reader. No idea what that is.
Isn’t the logical thing to do to integrate Google Reader with Google+?
My problem is that I don’t have enough friends for all these multiple social networks.
I know exactly how you feel. I spend time on Google Reader more than on any other site, so this is a really, really big deal for me. This is such a bummer.
Well, great. Now I want to get a Google Reader account for the social features, which are going to be done away with. Maybe Google should get you to advertise for them to push these features rather than eliminating them…
Exactly. Now that I see all that I’ve been missing all I want to do now is to start sharing and get all my friends on gReader.
I had no idea that Reader did any of the stuff you just described, as I’m still new at using it. Now I feel I’m going to be missing out before I ever got a chance to truly explore it. G+ is okay, but I find I don’t use it much. And from the way you describe things, it using it to share could be a pain in the butt.
I stumbled across Google Reader about a year ago and have only really been using the sharing features sparingly — flinging links out to my wife and friends — but am not pleased with this announced change. Fingers crossed it might get better but it seems to me like it’s another push to integrate you into G+, like I don’t already have enough online identities to keep track of.
I am really gonna miss the share with note functionality.
Leave it up to google to take things away from us like we are children and don’t know what’s best.
Maybe if we ask nicely they can put the social features back … no ..ok
Cheers,
Ron
To me, the Google announcement is just short of an online disaster: if I were to compute the time spent online, Google reader would either be the top or near it and it serves as the center of my “social” activity.
That share button powers most of my Twitter sharing, which in terms powers my Facebook and other network sharing. Hopefully, someone will come up with a “legacy google reader” like RSS client. It’s the kind of thing that is so essential to my daily online life that I would be willing to pay a monthly subscription for it.
As you rightly point out, Google Reader is generally not classified as a social network so it’s light enough to make it through any network. Because RSS feeds tend to be based on what one selects, they also can be customized in a way that makes sense to the end user without necessarily tying in the relationship someone has. Furthermore, stuff that is blogged often comes in full-feed RSS, which means that one does not have to leave Google Reader to read the content. THAT is a major feature and it seems that the “enhanced” version offered by Google+ will force you to jump in and out of content. That strikes me as sub-optimal.
I need to say that GReader is also the greatest search engine for things that a user actually cares about and has already been pre-winnowed by having subscribed to a feed.
I just heard about this today and now I’m trying to figure out how I’m going to be able to replace the Share with Note functionality. It is bad enough I got relegated to 2nd rate status 2 months ago when they forced me to move accounts because I use Google Apps, but now they are taking away one of my most used features of Google Reader. I save articles I read with notes and capture them to my blog posting them via Postalicious after I’ve gathered up a good number of them to share. I guess I won’t be able to do that anymore. Very frustrating seeing Google throw features to the side.
What about migrating to something like Percolate? I’m not affiliated, but from what I’ve seen it looks like something that could fill in here…
does it allow friending, following, and commenting? because if so, yeah, that may work?
Sign the petition at http://bit.ly/GoogleReaderPetition , join the diaspora at https://groups.google.com/group/google-reader-diaspora , and read my thoughts at http://alexch.tumblr.com/post/11868074433/why-i-love-and-how-i-use-google-reader .
Shorter me: “We’ll be retiring some social features from GMail since they duplicate Google Plus functionality. But don’t worry, you’ll still be able to to reply and forward by using Send To and Circles!”
Found you through @tokissthecook. Great post – I never used GR in this way and now I see what I was missing.
Related post making the Twitter rounds this morning (just pinged you there) describes why GR matters to Iranians:
http://www.amirhm.com/2011/10/why-google-reader-gooder-matters-for-us.html
More food for Google’s thought, I hope.
There is a protest in Washington DC this Wed at the Google HQ to save Google Reader!
Please promote to all!
https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=236228939769149
I deleted my G+ account because of the name flag b/s and I used Greader in the same fashion you did….so this move is like a slap in the face. “Lol you thought you could get away from G+ eh? THINK AGAIN HAHAHA” by Google’s Idiotic staff.
Without the share/comment feature, Greader sucks, and I’ve switched to just using feedly on my android phone because Google reader’s android app is a piece of crap.
You just said everything. I discussed this with some friends last weekend and I totally agree with you. So sorry Google doesn´t understand =(
The thing for me is that Reader is super quick for sharing. Shift + S and it’s blogged. Pffff! Hopefully they’ll retain this functionality for G Plus. If not, I’m going back to Delicious. Oh, hold on…
Quick point on the pixel allocation diagrams. List view in Reader is much less generous, while the Post view in Plus gives your words and ideas more limelight than even the Expanded view in Reader. You ignore that completely here.
From your description the Reader social experience with its sharing, serendipitous discovery and intelligent conversation sounds remarkably similar to Google Plus – just clunkier, wonkier and awkwarder. I’ll stick my neck out and predict the migration to a “Reader Old Boys” circle in Plus will be much less costly and destructive than you fear.
I don’t know what alternate views you’re talking about for gReader or Plus…I took screenshots of what I see when I navigate to those two sites.
The options for the ‘List’ and ‘Expanded’ views are in the top right hand corner of the interface in plain view.
My point was that you’re not comparing like with like. In this article you chose to showcase only the ‘Expanded’ view, yet you compare it to what in Plus would be the equivalent of Reader’s List view. Google Plus has it’s own ‘expanded’ view (here’s an example from the lengthy Scoble – https://plus.google.com/u/0/111091089527727420853/posts/TgjtDQ8TjwJ ) which allots more space to your post than even Reader. So you see, your point about Plus giving fewer pixels to your shares simply doesn’t stand up.
ah I see — however, Plus doesn’t seem to have an expanded view that also allows for any kind of navigation to other posts (at least based on the example you provided). Talk about, “clunkier, wonkier, and awkwarder”! gReader’s maximum-pixels view lets me easily navigate within the interface to read expanded content throughout my feeds and friends’ shares — Plus’s maximum-pixels view is just one post. Talk about clunky, wonky, and awkward! In order to see each post by a friend, I have to click through and then click back and then re-navigate back to my friend’s shares somehow…? Yeah, no, still a shitty workflow and a downgrade from the workflow I’ve got now with gReader.
I get that you like Plus. I don’t. You being like “oh but actually Plus is good and you will like it despite your entire post being about how you don’t like it” doesn’t really work for me. I don’t need an “Old Boys Club” (wow are you new to me if you’re using gendered crap like that). I don’t need Plus’s badly-organized content or “dumber version of the Internet” schtick. I just want my existing social network to continue to exist. You are not at all obligated to agree with me or even understand. But trying to explain that Plus is better just because the workflow doesn’t bother you isn’t actually a good explanation, it’s just a waste of time.
eh. The internet is constantly changing. It’s not all for the better, but I do hope it can pay for itself, because I don’t want to pay by the minute, as it were. Design changes are always directed towards typical use; non-typical users are apparently just wasting space. Someday they’ll start paying me for being a ‘connector’ and then I’ll feel sleazy.
Completely agree – I blogged something similar upon learning the news and it seems as if Google is intent on forcing everyone into Google + for the sake of it, even if it hurts people using Reader socially and in my case professionally, without any problems or desire to move.
I can understand their recent decisions to retire Buzz and Jaiku, but the Reader decision just seems like they want to artifically inflate the content being shared via Google + even if it annoys businesses paying for Google Apps accounts amongst others, and means that anything using the shared feed or indeed the unofficial Google API to power other services.
Totally agree. Google Reader is the best slow social media tool. I guess content doesn’t sell after all.
I am/was using Friendfeed much in the same way that you describe your use of Google Reader, and had considered coming over to the latter as the former gets shut down little by little. Now that won’t work out any more, and I agree that G+ isn’t going to cut it the way it is now.
I suggest you reserve judgment until after you’ve experienced the implementation.
I agree. Embrace change.
If we’re lucky, we’ll see Plus reverse integrated into Reader so that shared links in your Plus stream appear in a Plus section that replaces the People You Follow section.
Hopefully, if you click Share with Google Plus, it will share to Plus and your friend’s Reader.
Cross your fingers. It could actually be better.
I would be so, so happy to do a mea culpa update if they actually roll out Plus reverse-integration instead of just stripping the sharing features completely out of gReader. That’s not at all how it reads to me in their official blog post, but yeah, absolutely crossing my fingers.
The new Reader rolled out today. It looks a lot like the old reader, but with +1 instead of Share.
What think?
No, it doesn’t look a lot like the old reader. All of the best features have been removed and replaced with the inferior +1. Reader was the only way I communicated my thoughts and interests with a small group of close friends throughout most days. All of that functionality is gone. This “update” is not going to make us move to Google+, it is going to make us move to a non-Google platform.
It appears I actually misrepresented the case; there *is* a share button, separate from the +1 button. You might say it’s a downgrade because the new share button makes you pick which service to share with and Google Reader isn’t a valid option anymore; but this doesn’t seem to be an actual loss in functionality, because Google Bookmarks is one available option, and the public pages in Google Bookmarks offer comment threads.
Now the share button isn’t appearing for me.
That’s… weird…
Uh, in case it helps anyone, you can share from Google Reader to Google Bookmarks with this trick:
http://is.gd/IwXeIA
I like Google Reader for the reasons you outline above. Google+ just isn’t working for me. Thanks for sharing this information.
I don’t think you will have to use Google+ to do your reading. Google Reader will still exist after the next few weeks. Perhaps they integrated the share from other people in a kind of feed, the same way it is now (just from another source).
Let’s say you can share posts from Google Reader to Google+. And let’s also assume that the items from Google+ will appear in Google Reader as a real (Google Reader shared-items) feed just as it does now. Would that be to your liking?
If there are changes, this is what I would like to see.
Me three. We few, we happy few. Except I’m guessing our longbow work is not gonna be up to snuff.
Totally with you. This is just terrible.
Mailing list created:
http://groups.google.com/group/google-reader-diaspora
Amen. This stinks.
You hit the nail on the head with this. Reader is the only social networking that i truly care about, and i’m so bummed that they’re breaking something that doesn’t need fixing. i’m bracing for the worst, hoping that some of our favorite features (comment view, for instance) are somehow saved.
Heard about this and I was among the people who didn’t really understand the implications. I’ve used Google reader on and off for years now without ever using the social features. Now I feel like I’ve really missed out.
Sorry to hear you’re losing such an important space. Here’s hoping something new–and equally effective–fills the void.